I actually wrote "Jokes on You" in about an hour and a half of straight typing. I'm seriously considering going back and doing a rewrite to make it more realistic and to add some needed grit to the writing. I still think the concept (Harry as an insane clown-wizard) is kick ass.

As the Joker is defined by his rivalry with Batman, so should Joker!Harry be defined by a similar rivalry. Voldemort would normally make the most sense, but he isn't exactly the Joker's opposite. Perhaps Joker!Harry kills Voldemort and becomes the new "Dark Lord", deciding to cause untold chaos throughout magical Britain. Of course, Harry's friends don't know he's alive, and fight against this new Morbid Price of Magic.

So, Joker!Harry V The Order of the Pheonix, Hermione in particular, perhaps. She is the emboddiment of everything order if any of Harry's friends can be considered such. Anyone interested in seeing that? Hermione desperately trying to foil the plans of The Joker (Harry) as she slowly comes to the realization that the new villain is, in fact, her old friend?

Good idea/bad idea?

 

Thought I'd pop my head in with an idea.

Perhaps Sirius could be used as the Joker? Instead of trying to simply catch and kill Peter when he escapes, a much more bitter and maniacal man than we see in PoA makes the decision to take out his anger on the society that imprisoned him.

 

Just .. No. Sirius would suit Two-Face better. The Normal "Kill Peter! DX" insane side and the "Its your fault, die you fuck!" Self-hating side.

Or so my opinion goes.

Thats a possibility, Mage. Or you could follow the same up, and instead of Hermione, who I don't think would handle the stress of it, have someone else step up to specifically fight him.

Like maybe you start with a cliche. Voldemort catches and tortures Harry. If you want the Ledger style, you go with Bella cutting a Cheshire grin into him during torture. Dump him in a vat of ... some strange new concoction at the end when they want to kill him, but he survives and comes out all stained al a Comic-style Joker. Or just the torture and he paints himself up.

Whole sale slaughter of Death Eaters and Voldemort commence. Harry wanders around a while under a glamour not telling anyone he's alive and insane, looking for a new purpose. A tip of the hat to Batman Confidentail (the second story arc...), a Harleen Quinzel/Harley Quin can give him a push during a random meeting in some tea shop.

And when Harry notices new Top Auror (Random Name) like Neville or something, who is the antithesis of everything he is now, you could set up a Batman/Joker style relationship.

One thing I'd carry over from the BatJok relationship is the Joker's twisted view that Batman and he are actually only caught up in a friendly rivalry. That theyre friends, somewhat. You know. Good natured mockery and all that.

Well... Good natured in the Joker's mind anyway.

What I mean is that he shouldn't hate him.

 

I think you just described Harry's Madness by SilverLocke980.

Because of the aversion to her (even if she were portrayed well, she's overexposed by now), I doubt anyone would use Ginny for this role, but in some ways she's perfect for it.

Most people who bash Ginny, write her as a money-grubbing bitch who only wants Harry so she can bask in his fame and spend his fortune.

Not many people play up the other natural angle, that of someone who is well and truly obsessed with Harry Potter. Think of Ginny as someone who was already fixated on Harry, and it turned into slavish, single-minded, psychotic devotion after he saved her from the Diary. She'd be the type who would start foaming at the mouth and hexing people for saying the wrong thing about him.

Maybe she never fully recovered from the ordeal she endured during her first year and seeing the future version of the 'Tom' who tormented her, now an even more terrifying reptilian monster, causes her to snap, rapidly descending into a madness where the only thing she recognizes as remotely human and non-hostile is Harry, the one who saved her the first time.

That kind of devoted head-case would make an appropriate sidekick for a joker!Harry and their individual madness would cause the other to deteriorate further.

As I said, though, I think we've all seen too much of Ginny for this to be a terribly compelling angle.

I am vaguely amused by the notion that she finds him because she can always tell where he is. Not because she's his soul mate, or because of a bond, or even necessarily because of her life debt to him (though that's a perfectly valid explanation), but solely because the nutty wench can sniff him out wherever he is. She's a super stalker.

 

Yep. There's a makeup-free shot of the Joker in the mayor assassination scene, and his makeup deteriorates at various points through the movie (IIRC when he's driving the cop car you get a pretty good shot of it).

This sounds something like the Smiling Man series, except with a plot.

I don't know about Joker!Harry... to me, Harry's "natural" dark side is the Punisher. It's just hard to square Harry Potter with Joker-style cheerfully psychotic behavior, since canon Harry is so dour. The great thing about the Joker is that he's angst-free.

Actually, Luna Lovegood might be the best bet for cheerful insanity, but she'd be harder to make threatening.

 

I haven't found any crossovers pop up yet, but I did find this:

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4432032/1/Hell_Show_Them

The author claims it's slash, but there really aren't any slash moments except for the interrogation scene. Even that wasn't graphic. The author did a nice job capturing the Joker/Batman dynamic, even though she slipped up on his motivations for corrupting Harvey.

Actually all of the Batman Begins fics I've read have done a great job portraying the Joker. I mean every single freaking one.

It can't be that easy, can it? :/

 

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4495293/1/Harry_Potter_and_the_Dark_Knight

How about this? I thought it wasn't bad.

 

That was actually pretty good. I'm definitely going to follow it.

 

This one's actually pretty awesome. It's not a Batman crossover per se, more like an adaption to the HP world, sort of like World's A play with me. As much as it might seem like fail, it's actually good. Great characterizations all around, so far, even though

Spoiler

Draco Malfoy as Harvey Dent seems like a stretch at first, it makes sense if you think about him as Two-Face. As for Neville ending up as Batman? After DH, you better fucking believe it.

Only thing I really don't get is Ginny as Rachel Dawes. I guess I can kind of live with it, as I never liked Rachel anyway.

The setting up of the Joker I thought was really well done- better then many other stories of the genre, actually. We'll have to see where it goes to see if its Library worthy, but for the two chapters posted, it's definitely 5/5 so far.

 

Why can't the Joker be a wizard?

Auror Harry gets called in to find out about a strangely dressed wizard that's causing trouble. The Hit-Wizards, who originally had the case due to Joker's non-use of dark magic (he prefers garden variety charms), have thrown the case up to the Auror Department.

You could make him a homegrown villain of the HP universe, or add Batman to the mix by saying the Joker has always been a wizard, but didn't get exposure to the wizarding world until recently. With a wand, the Joker is deadly and creative, but lacks proper discipline in using magic. His sheer nature as an illogicalbeing makes him able to wield magic without much instruction however (the idea that he can makes things fly with a stick isn't too much of a stretch in his mind), and also enables him magic that he himself imagines or creates. He's not particularly powerful, nor does he know many spells, but he's occasionally able to wave his wand and transform a slew of enemies into rubber duckies just because he feels like it's the right thing to do. Or trick enemies with magic in silly traps.

You could have Harry chase the figure all over the world, where he eventually encounters Batman.

 

The fic posted is pretty awesome, but it seems a bit of a wasted effort to do an "adaptation" of the movie in the HP universe rather than an original story set before the events in "Batman Begins" and "The Dark Knight". I like it so far, but I'm still not too sure if it will end being awesome, or just a stupid retelling of the movie with joker quotes all over the place.

Now that is an interesting idea. Rather than putting Harry in the situation of one of the "faces" of the coin, put him in the middle. The situation is pretty similar to Gordon's in the movies. The problem would be how to get Harry to get the Joker's attention. The Joker never bothered too much with authorities, even the ones after him. As Vash put it, the guy couldn't care less about anything that's not Batman.

 

That story has a new chapter that is pretty awesome.

 

Yeah, I posted it on the Review forum. The end of the third chapter was indeed awesome.

 

Vash, this is an awesome fucking idea. It could start at around the time when Rachel Dawes gets killed, with Harry's family getting offed at the same time as by-standers in another one of Joker's capers. So, we could have a 3 way battle across Gotham; Joker causing chaos (as per usual), with Harry following him not caring about destroying what gets in the way of his quest for revenge. Finally we have Batman, obviously trying to stop Joker, but perhaps with a different idea for Harry.

Remember, in the Dark Knight Batman wanted Dent to become his crime-fighting successor, and in the excellent comic storyline "Face-the-face," Dent does indeed (with Batman's training and encouragement) become a costumed vigilante whilst Batman leaves Gotham for a year.

So, seeing another formally "good" person who has been driven to the brink of madness by personal tragedy, Batman could decide that his search for a successor shouldn’t be abandoned despite his failure with Dent, and whilst pursuing Joker attempt to convince Harry to abandon his quest for revenge and join the side of angels as it were.

The more I think about it, the better it sounds. I think I'm going to give this a go, now I just need to watch Dark Knight again for some more ideas!

p.s. Minor niggle Vash, but Frank Millers masterpiece is called "The Dark Knight Returns," not "The Return of the Dark Knight."

 

I've been dandying with a crossover, and the way I got around the Joker's disinterest in everything not bat-like was that, after breaking free of Arkham, he restrains himself from immediately plunging back into the battle with Batman, reasoning that he can't go back without bringing something new to the table, lest he bore the Batman.

So, when he's back among his hench-clowns, the television set's on the new channels which has extensive coverage on freak natural disasters in Britain. There are always methods behind the chaos, and one of his hench-clowns mention a magical relative who mentions the war with Voldemort.

Intensely jealous with someone who can create that much more chaos than he can, he resolves to infiltrate the Death Eaters in a similar manner as he did the mob.

But no matter what the crossover, it's hard to make the Joker seem like a real threat without giving him magic, and trying to rationalize it with Amerision's way.

The only story like Harry Potter and the Dark Knight I've seen is a Lord of the Rings crossover with Hermione as Saruman. But it's good, if a waste of a story to simply adapt it from Batman to Harry Potter.

 

I like some ideas, but I really think it should be one of his friends fighting against him. Not Ron, but perhaps with Harry "dead", Dumbledore takes Neville as his apprentice and turns him into a dueling machine before Dumbledore dies in HBP time. Neville goes against the ministry, which he views as corrupt after some event (death of his gran being linked to them or something), and becomes a crusdare against Death Eaters.

Then, Joker!Harry kills Vldemort, and seizes the reigns of his terrorist empire. Neville makes a contact within the ministires auror force (enter: Hermione) and they try to figure out who this new adversary is.

Joker!Harry starts a Bat/Joker relasionship with Neville, nad drives both him and Hermione up the wall with chaos. Perhaps leading up to him revealing the magical world to the muggle just for teh lulz.

One big thing I'd have to do: Not explain how Harry became clown-like. He'd have been captured/tortured, but I'd make it totally ambiguous as to who it was that disfigured him. Switch stories from Voldemort, Malfoy Snr., Bellatrix, even the Dursleys. A multiple choice past.

After setting all that, it's just a matter of writing a good enough caper-fic, and keeping Harry truly nuts.

As for a Harley... Warloke is kinda right, Ginny would work perfectly. Maybe when Voldemort dies, the tiny piece of him in Ginny keeping her brain glued together is destroyed, and she goes batshit. Enter Harry, her "true love" and we have a very Joker/Harley relasionship.

Remember, the Joker doesn't love Harley. He doesn't even like her. Heck, he beats the shit out of her often enough. The Joker isn't capable of romantic feelings. So it shouldn't offend the united Ginny haters .

Gah... now I think i might actually have to write this...

Not doing anything till I have a damn good outline of the caper part and the ending though. That would be what sets this fic apart from any other decent cross. Most crosses start with a great set up and trail off into plotless bullshit. I really don't want to do that.

 

The second linked story there was just sheer awesome. Much as it seemed to take large chunks from Dark Knight, it stands alone, just not sure how, but it does.

The authors method of Harry turning into the Joker was in my eyes, brilliantly done, as were the following two chapters. I felt the second chapter was missing something though..

As for the third one well, again, surprised, but I'm most certainly looking forward to the third one and shall be keeping my eyes open..

** Spoiler - Since I can't do these yet, not sure how =P **

He lifted his darkened-gloved hand and began writing on the glass…the writing appeared in red…blood red…Ripper’s blood…

There’s…no…such…thing…as…magic..

I quite literally shivered at this part, it just fit perfectly with the scene & i could almost see it happening on the window next to me.

 

Hmm, really like that Vash. And it creates an interesting gray level to the Joker Batman argument.

Despite his 'Dark Knight' title Wayne really is incorruptible. In that sense the Joker is the ultimate corrupter. In a very 'Two Face' analogy they are two sides of the same coin. But a third more medium presence would add a great character element. A Harry that, while all and all a good guy, is not ashamed to kill what needs killing might add a very clever element. In such that the Dark Knight was a question on roles and good and evil, I wouldn't mind a character to represent the medium more than the quasi one that Commissioner Gordon represented. And Gordon was almost powerless in his role, a powerful figure tossed in would be excellent.

I think this idea would work the best though if Harry were married/dating a new character, perhaps a Muggle, whose life is cut short. I have this image of the significant other wanting to visit Gotham for some reason and Harry Potter, powerful wizard defeater of Voldemort, enters the city with no ulterior motive than a holiday. Set it some time after the DK when the Joker has escaped. But the fates conspire and he gets drawn into the world of costumed heroes and villains. Somehow it's more delicious to have Harry in Gotham than Batman and the Joker in the wizarding world. I find it too impossible for them to assimilate there.

Hmmm...like that, wish I had the time to write it...

 

I had an idea for a story, I was thinking of Harry losing his mind and taking on a Joker like persona. He would fight both Voldemort and the Ministry, creating total chaos. I have the story in the works, however it could use some serious editing to make it darker. One scene in paticular I got from the movie Dark Knight.

Harry, dressed like the Joker, would be in a ministry cell. One of the other men captured would have an explosive device implanted in his body, and when it exploads, Harry would grab the Minister of Magic, take the Ministers wand, whisper in his ear before blowing the man up, sending his blood and guts across the room.

What do you all think? Not the best idea, but with work it would be good.

 

I think that not only do you need to work on expanding the idea and giving reasons for his sudden and unexpected fall to insanity.

Secondly, get some original fucking ideas instead of ripping scenes straight from a movie. It isn't hard, you know.